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Poster: bluedevil Date: Feb 4, 2008 12:44pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Reminder for Tonight

so I'm asking, since you raised the issue of "racist" deadheads, am I a racist if I don't favor the boys getting back together to support Obama and/or have a problem with the show being entitled "Deadheads for Obama"? Just curious.

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Poster: spacedface Date: Feb 4, 2008 4:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Reminder for Tonight

>> so I'm asking, since you raised the issue of "racist" deadheads, am I a racist if I don't favor the boys getting back together to support Obama and/or have a problem with the show being entitled "Deadheads for Obama"? Just curious.>>

Why would anyone have a problem with the band (-1) doing a show called that? I think it's great that Phil and Bobby are putting aside differences for some greater good.

Anyone who has a problem with the show or its title should not get involved. Do NOT stream the show, because you may become infected.

Given the usual depth of analysis on this forum, it would seem that superficial complaints about Obama and his talent come from a dark place. That's all. Nothing personal, well, except for me devil bad.

This post was modified by spacedface on 2008-02-05 00:29:13

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Feb 4, 2008 4:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Reminder for Tonight

I will grant you that Obama is an inspiring orator (loved his speech at the last Dem convention), and his personal life story is unique and compelling, but in the end he doesn't seem to be anything other than another politician that shapes his message to those in attendance. I find it laugable that he is deemed an agent for change as his policies, insofar as he ever gives any definition to the same, are far from what I would deem "progressive". If this seems like I'm coming from a "dark place", then so be it. I do think, unfortunately, that if he is the Dem nominee, he won't win, and rascism will play a role in the same. More importantly, I don't think he can withstand the GOP's attacks (as evident by his reactions to the Clintons) and I definitely don't want to see any more of the current crew holding cabinet level positions/influence. I mean, what does Paul Wolfowitz have to do not to get a cushy job?

As far as the boys are concerned, they can do what they want. However, the "Deadheads for Obama" smacks of them saying we all support him. I don't. I understand it can mean just some deadheads, but I always prefered the band offering outlets/info for progressive causes as opposed to a specific candidate. But what do I know? Another one of my favorite bands, Wilco, has also been very vocal in their support of Obama and played benefit/fundraisers for him (or at least Jay Farrar has). In the end, I hope they sound good tonight - I just know I'll miss that distinctive guitar and vocal sound that won't be there.
If I was in SF, I'd rather go see Social Distortion.

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Poster: invisiblemindcircus Date: Feb 4, 2008 5:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Reminder for Tonight

anyone who can bring phil and bobby on stage together is ok by me. but i couldn't care less about the politics, if i was in sf, i would def be at the Warfield

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Feb 4, 2008 5:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Reminder for Tonight

am i the only one who doesn't particularly care to hear jerry tunes sung by bob or phil?

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Poster: liranfa Date: Feb 4, 2008 6:39pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Reminder for Tonight

am i the only one who doesn't particularly care to hear jerry tunes sung by bob or phil?

It's not like Jerry is ever going to sing them again and I'd rather have them sing them than Robert Hunter. Maybe Jackie Green will sing a few....he's got a good voice.

Or are you implying that no one should sing these songs ever again?

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Poster: high flow Date: Feb 4, 2008 5:15pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Reminder for Tonight

the real question is....Will iclip survive the massive traffic headed it's way?

I'm expecting some hiccups.

Does anybody know if they have previously hosted an event of this scale?

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Poster: bigbossdan Date: Feb 4, 2008 6:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Reminder for Tonight

They did the Dark Star Orchestra recreation of Cornell 77 last May. There were some hiccups there.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Feb 4, 2008 7:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Reminder for Tonight

I am defn with you on that one BD; I really think that Bob can't do it at all anymore, and Phil, well...

It does bother me, but I never mention it around here...

I also think you are right about Obama...

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Poster: L.A. Women Date: Feb 4, 2008 7:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Reminder for Tonight

Heres's something we both agree on Tell.

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Poster: yellowbear Date: Feb 4, 2008 7:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Reminder for Tonight

did it start yet?

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Poster: William Tell Date: Feb 4, 2008 7:58pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Reminder for Tonight

Can't get in...???

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Poster: liranfa Date: Feb 4, 2008 6:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Reminder for Tonight

am i the only one who doesn't particularly care to hear jerry tunes sung by bob or phil?

It's not like Jerry is ever going to sing them again and I'd rather have them sing them than Robert Hunter. Maybe Jackie Green will sing a few....he's got a good voice.

Or are you implying that no one should sing these songs ever again?

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Feb 4, 2008 6:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Reminder for Tonight

No, not at all. I've got no problems with other people singing them. The problem I have is that whenever I hear Ratdog, Phil and Friends, or other permutations of the surviving members, my ear (heart?) longs for Jerry. I found the couple of Ratdog shows I went to be very annoying for that reason. It's just something that I found kind of grating, and before the archive, it seemed to destroy a bit of my rose-colored memory for the shows I saw. Come on - does anyone else not cringe to hear one of them sing a Sugaree or Peggy-O? I'm not advocating a boycott of them. Hell, they're musicians and should play until the day they drop and they certainly have more of a "claim" to the songbook than others.

FWIW, here's a cut and paste of the FAQ page at iclips for the webcast:

Clips.net Live Broadcast F.A.Q.


I've never streamed a live event on iClips.net before - how does this work?

When the event goes live, there will be a link posted on both the main site and the event's page. This link will direct you to a stream page. From there, you can watch the show either directly in your browser, or you can choose to open it in an external media player where you can view it in full-screen.

The show should have started by now and I don't see a link to the broadcast, what's wrong?

Make sure that you are aware of the time zone of the showtime - this is an easy mistake to make, as our time zones are related to the location of the show. If you're sure that it is the correct time, try refreshing the page. If the link still doesn't appear, there may be an unforeseen setback of the start time of the show. Occasionally, due to the nature of live events, there can be delays, such as the band going on later than expected, technical difficulties on-site, or other issues. We appreciate your patience in such cases.

Why was the time of the show changed?

Live events can be unpredictable, and occasionally times change without prior notice. We try to give viewers as much notice as possible if the time of an event changes.

I'm using a Mac and can't open the stream.

To watch the stream in your browser, you'll need download and install the Flip4Mac plugin from http://www.flip4mac.com/. This free plugin allows you to watch Windows Media components in Quicktime. Once you've installed it, be sure to restart your browser. If Mac users choose to use Flip4Mac as an alternative, to view fullscreen, you will need to go into your system preferences, click on Flip4Mac WMV, and then choose the "launch Quicktime Player" option. You can then view fullscreen normally in Quicktime.

I'm using Vista and can't open the stream.

If Internet Explorer 7 isn't allowing you to view the stream, try clicking the "Open in External Player" link on the stream page, or copying that link target into the "Open URL" option in either Windows Media Player or an alternative media player.

I'm still not getting any audio or video in my browser.

Try clicking the "Open in External Player" link on the stream page, or copying that link into the "Open URL" option in either Windows Media Player or an alternative media player.

When I try to open the stream, it gives me an error regarding my Proxy Settings.

To resolve the problem, in Internet Explorer, on the Tools menu, click Internet Options, click the Connections tab, click the LAN Settings button, and then clear the Automatically detect settings check box. In Firefox, go to Edit, then Preferences, then go to Advanced, Network Tab, then Settings, then select "Direct Connection to the Internet."

Also verify that your proxy server settings are correct - in order to do this, you may need to contact your network administrator.

It keeps buffering, what can I do?

We recommend you have at least a 768 kbps high speed internet connection or higher. If you're on a wireless network, plug into a hard-wired connection if at all possible. Be sure that neither you nor anyone else on your network is actively downloading anything other than the stream, and close bandwidth-heavy programs such as Instant Messaging or Torrenting programs. If you're using Windows XP, we highly recommend you install Autobahn, a free and safe plugin made for optimizing downloads and streams.

Can I watch the stream at a different time other than the one listed on the schedule?

On occasion we offer encore streams of our events. Many of our events, however, are archived within a month or so of the original broadcast, making them available to view on-demand. Currently we do not offer or support downloads of streams, and it is illegal to download any streams from the iClips website.

Do you censor your events?

No, we do not believe in censoring events. Viewers should watch at their own discretion, as the nature of live events is unpredictable.

I still can't access the stream, what else can I do?

If you have thoroughly followed all of the instructions and are still having problems, e-mail us at support@iclips.net. On the evening of shows, we have live technical support available at 1-877-iclips2 (425-4772) beginning at air time, and follow up on every e-mail and relevant comment we receive within minutes. We will do everything to ensure that you have the best viewing experience possible.

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Poster: liranfa Date: Feb 4, 2008 7:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Reminder for Tonight

I also miss Jerry and understand your point bluedevil however, I'm curious how Bob and Phil doing these songs proceeded to "destroy a bit of my rose-colored memory for the shows I saw". If anything, it helped me appreciate Jerry more.

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Poster: high flow Date: Feb 4, 2008 5:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Reminder for Tonight

I agree w/ BD and Dire.

Bands encouraging fans just to vote, is a great idea.

Encouraging fans to vote for a specific cadidate, and rasising money for that candidate is foolish. This forum is a great example of how loyal fans feel put-off by this engagement.

It's a no-win for GD.

ALL THAT SAID....I am able to completely dis-connect the politics from the music.

I will pretend it's just a show.

I'll ignore any propaganda(should be interesting) that may be forced upon my eyes or ears, and carry forth in pursuit of musical enjoyment.

I wish myself luck!:)

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Poster: spacedface Date: Feb 4, 2008 9:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Reminder for Tonight

Progressive values aren't dark mostly, but unexplained blanket criticisms do hide certain biases.

I was more interested in Edwards because he's a white Southerner with a progressive inclination. He seemed like he'd be able to provide an out for the 70% that are tired of the current massively corrupt bunch. He's even a good speaker but not favored by the TV.

But Obama is an even better speaker, and seems like the real thing, bright, inclusive, real America. At least that what Phil just said during the break.

I'm not sure how many big mistakes America can make before instant karma comes down in retribution. Empires always fall, but why not go out with some class? Maybe that's why the band decided to take this stand.

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Poster: spacedface Date: Feb 4, 2008 9:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Reminder for Tonight

>>>I hope they sound good tonight - I just know I'll miss that distinctive guitar and vocal sound that won't be there. >>>

The guitarist is good, and not slavishly copying.

So far for me this time, it's less composing lonesome blues over what has gone.